Episode 40.
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Brandy Montague 0:00
Welcome to episode number 40 of the For Animals For Earth podcast: animal protection in Japan with Maho Uehara Cavalier.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 0:08
“If you can’t see the end result quickly you get discouraged, but I remind myself that we’re a part of the change. We should be mindful, this is part of the big change.”
Brandy Montague 0:24
That was Maho, who is a dear friend of mine that I met back in Japan in 2011 after the earthquake and tsunami. We worked together to do fundraising to help animal shelters at the time, and she continued on to become very involved in helping farm animals. Over the years, I learned a lot about animal welfare in Japan from Maho, and especially farm animals. The way that the animals were treated after the tsunami was devastating. I think to say the least, and pretty mind blowing. And she really seemed to kind of have a fire lit in her to really get involved in making a difference. And so after that she continued on to the Humane Society University, and then became an employee for The Humane League, leading the Japan office. Now she works with a mission to end suffering for animals who are used for food, and she specifically is working to end cage confinement for egg laying hens in Japan.
Our simple idea for today’s episode is to look at our plate at the next meal or multiple meals, maybe get in the habit of it, and ask ourselves where each item on our plate came from. Do we know where it came from? And if it’s meat or eggs, do we know how the animal was treated and how the animal was raised? And we can work towards just better knowing the supply chain for every single item that we have on our plate that we eat, learning more about it and just you know cleaning it up for ourselves.
So for today’s show notes, which will have the links that we talked about, the video of my interview with Maho, her contact information, and a transcript, you can go to ForAnimalsForEarth.com/podcast/40, and I almost forgot Happy Earth Day! I hope that you are having fun today and came up with something fun to celebrate.
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Hi there this is Brandy and you’re listening to the For Animals For Earth podcast. This is a space where we inspire each other, to take small steps every day to live a more conscious life helping the animals and the planet, while we do it. I’m so glad that you’re here, let’s all take a deep breath, and let’s get started.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 4:47
I remember the first day I saw you I met you. It was Yoyogi Park. You remember we did the first animal walk. And I remember you had a ponytail and I remember you were wearing flip flops.
Brandy Montague 5:07
I love, oh my gosh, I love that you can remember how we met. Yeah that day was insane. So for those who are watching to give you a paint a picture of that day for you. We decided that we would just throw together this little fundraising walk at Yoyogi Park and it was, I don’t know maybe three or four months after the tsunami, and over 100 people showed up and we were so not prepared for that. We got in trouble for having the tables and I mean, it was on mess, but it was amazing because it brought together all these people with the same passion, we raised a bunch of money to help the local shelters and it started Animal Walk Tokyo.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 5:47
Yeah, definitely. That was yeah after the tsunami, there were a lot of abandoned animals right, and volunteers were there and they’re you know having a hard time collecting money or food or whatever. Yeah, I remember that I didn’t remember that was so messy. I remember that it was really fun and nice and right after, like you said, it was a good way to connect with people and help animals, right.
Brandy Montague 6:16
It really was, and it created, it kicked off what was an incredible community of people who are all passionate about making a difference, and we had two or three more walks after that, and over a few years and, yeah, so it was really amazing, really amazing.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 6:36
So Maaku is actually from.
Brandy Montague 6:38
Yes, yes, so my dog. Yeah. Yeah, so Maho and I actually both ended up adopting dogs as well from the same shelter, and for those of you who don’t know Maaku he is. I’ll have to put a little picture of him in the show notes because he doesn’t, You know every time I get out the camera to take a picture he, he’s still hides, he’s not at all interested in being on camera.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 7:03
He was amazing change from a shelter in the cage to Los Angeles, You know, was Tokyo and then Los Angeles. Wow
Brandy Montague 7:13
Yeah, yeah, exactly, it’s crazy, it’s crazy and it blows my mind he is turning 10 So, it’s unbelievable. It’s been 10 years,
Maho Uehara Cavalier 7:23
Time flies,
Brandy Montague 7:24
it’s crazy. So you’ve been working with the humane league Japan and I am just so inspired by the work that you guys are doing. And I think that I just am really excited that I get to have you on the show today to learn more in more detail about what you’re doing. And for all of our listeners and viewers to learn more about what you’re doing, as well, so can you kick us off with telling us a little bit more about what you do for the Humane league Japan.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 8:00
Yeah, first of all thank you for having me on the program. Yeah, the human league Japan is the Japan operation for the Human League and Human League is headquartered in the US, and there are teams in UK, and also Mexico, and I’m the regional manager for Japan. My responsibility is to guide the strategy here, and the team in Japan. And our mission is to to end the suffering of animals that are used for food, and in Japan, in particular, we focus on layer hen in freeing the hens from cage confinement. So, in short, eliminating caged facilities from egg production. That’s my job. Yeah, and I work closely with Mika my staff. The staff in Japan, and we meet corporations, asking them to shift to use cage free eggs, purchase only cage free eggs, and then make a policy.
Brandy Montague 9:08
That’s so, I mean it’s, it’s amazing, and I am curious. Do you know, you may not know a number but like what percentage of corporations in Japan are using cage free versus not? Is it like literally over 90% are probably still not pledged to cage free?
Maho Uehara Cavalier 9:31
Well there are several big corporations have already pledged to go to, cage free policy. They use only the cage free, but so in Japan about 99% of eggs are coming from cage confinements. So when you think about that yeah I think the companies that use cage free eggs, pretty, you know, small.
Brandy Montague 9:55
Yeah, must be if 99% are coming from cage confinement, I mean that’s amazing. So what does it mean if a corporation pledges to be cage free? So let me ask this question, do the most of the eggs in Japan come from Japan? And then what does it mean if they pledged to be cage free?
Maho Uehara Cavalier 10:17
So, yeah, Japan that egg is unusually self sufficient food in Japan so everything comes from. Yeah, it completes within the country. Not the feeding though, feeding come usually imported, but anyway. What’s the next question, I’m sorry.
Brandy Montague 10:37
So what does it mean if they pledged to be cage free, who, who’s providing because, so I’m thinking the next step back in the process, like who’s providing the cage free eggs? Are there different egg corporations that provide cage free versus caged or is that within a corporation?
Maho Uehara Cavalier 10:56
Yes. Got it. Um, so usually cage free policies, there is a timeline by 2025 to 2027 so, they still have few years to change. So currently, they’re a, like I said there’s very little amount of cage free eggs in the market, but I think it’s growing, because they have, they have to grow, they have to add more cage free eggs to in the market, because there is a demand right. so we’re creating the demand, so current suppliers have to change the cage free some portion. And there’s a huge egg distributor in Japan, they have, they have to probably add more cage free into their selection options to sell to the corporations.
Brandy Montague 11:45
Okay, okay, cool. So it’s kind of like a bottom up approach that’s changing the industry from the demand which is really cool. Do consumers care about that. Have you found that consumers care whether the eggs are cage free yet or not.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 12:01
At this point, I’d say. They probably don’t know where the eggs came from. Once they know they say they want to change, but when they see the price. I don’t know if they’re really buying the cage free eggs, but I said so I started in 2017, and since then, I feel there is a strong like there is a momentum, and it seems like it’s getting stronger and stronger. Yeah, and I started seeing one cage free brand in one retail, like when you go to even local store, there is one small selection of cage free. So this is something.
Brandy Montague 12:49
Yeah, like it’s it’s changing slowly but or quickly because I would say the same thing here about the States, I mean, from 2017 to now. And granted, I’m in California, so it’s a bit of a bubble in terms of like people caring about animal welfare so I don’t always know the big picture, but it does seem like more and more people, just that I’m surrounded by know about the difference and say oh okay yeah I want to buy cage free and are spending the few extra dollars to do that. But I do feel like that is a newer thing in the past couple of years, and changing quickly as as knowledge makes it out right because I think a lot of it is we just don’t know much about where our food comes from. That’s just kind of the reality of the way I guess the world has progressed in the past, you know 40 years or whatever, there’s kind of a detachment of where food is actually coming from.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 13:50
Yeah, especially if you live in a city, for example, Tokyo, you don’t see animals right. you see cats and dogs but livestock, people, you know, they’re isolated. But yeah us actually collective efforts, and then one of the groups, is the Human League, but they, Humane League, started working, corporate, outreach, and corporate work from 2015. And since then, things have changed. the major food corporations have changed to go cage free by 2025 and that actually created the momentum. And I think by now over 400 corporations in the US have pledged to go cage free. And that’s, yeah i think i remember maybe 2005, you know, maybe 2007, there was only a few percent of cage free in the US but now 20, over 20, and we’re expecting 2025, maybe over 50.
Brandy Montague 14:57
Wow.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 14:58
Yeah, it’s amazing. Yeah.
Brandy Montague 15:04
And that is, so open wing Alliance, which I know is somehow connected with the humane League, is that something that follows along this effort for the rest of the world.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 15:17
Yeah, so Open Wing Alliance initiated by the Human League. And the groups, there are 77 members now in over in 63 countries. And our aim for this mission is one goal, cage free, right, and then groups in Asia or Europe, Africa, they gather together and work to end cage confinement. So, yeah, it’s connected.
Brandy Montague 15:49
Okay. Yeah. And when you say groups, So is that people come together to volunteer, or what makes up a group in a location.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 16:00
I see. Yeah. For example, there are local groups in Japan right, for example Animal Rights Center and there are organizations like that, it could be NPO, it could be maybe small groups, regional groups. They may have been working with cage free or may not, but gather that, you know, energy, and also people, resources, in order to make the cage free policies, cage free happens in regional areas.
Brandy Montague 16:35
Okay, okay, cool, cool. So for anyone, I don’t know if we’ll have any listeners, but there might be somebody who is asking this question like, What is, what’s actually the difference in cage free versus cage, like what does it mean to be cage free, and what are the improvements in the, just the way that the animals treated by being cage free instead of caged.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 17:02
Yeah. So, in terms of Japan. There is no standard. There is no standard so for example when we say cage, eliminate all cage confinement, that means battery cage. Do you know, have you heard of like very small cages, or sometimes five hens in one cage crammed together. Yeah. And then there’s enriched cages, which is little better, but it’s still the height is about 40 centimeter, which is the height of the hen, and there are, yeah, there are less you know, there’s parties and the nest area, but it’s still, you know, the movement is restricted. When we say cage free, eliminate all that, and then birds can freely roam around, then open wings, have vertical. Okay, movement.
Brandy Montague 18:04
Okay, okay so it becomes like a big room, where they can all move around inside that room.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 18:10
Yeah, that’s correct.
Brandy Montague 18:11
Got it. Got it, okay, okay. Wow. So, let’s get into your story, a little bit so how did, where did the inspiration to get involved in animal welfare come for you?
Maho Uehara Cavalier 18:29
Yeah, I’ve always been an animal lover and my grandma, grandma was known to be the local cat lady. Anything you know cat issues, somebody would call her and then she’ll be there, she will be there, right. But things like, I was influenced, I really liked the Charlotte the web. Yeah, the book, right, right, yeah. I like the book, and. But I think something sensational happened when I was about 25 years, 22, 23 years ago, I went to a hog farm and it changed my life. It was on for my work. And I remember it was in northern part of Japan called Hokkaido. I was driving, I went into the farm, but from a distance I heard some noise like machinery noise like making squeaky sound. And then we went into the farm, and I noticed the sound was hogs screaming, and in the front, sorry, in a farm, I saw you know, nasty things, and that, from that day I stopped eating meat. Yeah, that’s a game changer for me. Yeah.
Brandy Montague 19:53
You know it’s interesting it’s ironic how it’s similar to mine, because for me it was pigs as well, and it was when I was three. But I was on my grandparents farm and you know that was a small farm operation so it wasn’t as cruel as like factory farming is now by any means, but even I even then was just like, No meat and you know I still remember saying I’ve never eating meat again and of course, it didn’t. My parents were like, I don’t think so. I had 10 pieces. they would cut 10 pieces of meat for every dinner, and I would have to sit there and eat those, and you know we laugh about it now, but there were nights that I was there until like midnight at the table trying to get down my meat. But you know, who knows, like you know with my health, it could have helped, I don’t know but it was when I was 19 that I realized like what a vegetarian was and I was like, Oh, I can be a vegetarian, that I can eat off the vegetarian menu and I can make vegetarian meals instead of just eating like the sides to every meal because you know my, I was like okay, the potatoes and the broccoli that’s all you know. For years I just ate the sides. So, so yeah it’s ironic it’s it’s similar
Maho Uehara Cavalier 21:10
Did you have trouble finding vegetarian food when you were in Tokyo?
Brandy Montague 21:16
You know, It’s funny because when I was moving, everyone said it’s going to be really really difficult to find vegetarian food, and I did not find it hard. I had a friend who was a vegetarian who taught me how to ask for vegetarian food. So I knew before I even arrived, how to say what I needed to say in Japanese to ask for vegetarian food. And, you know, the, probably the biggest culprit would be like Dashi, you know like the, the. Yeah for everyone who’s listening, kind of like a broth that is typically made with fish and it’s in a lot of things. So that was probably the hardest, but I mean, there’s so many vegetables in the Japanese diet.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 22:01
Actually, yeah, yeah.
Brandy Montague 22:03
So I really, I honestly felt like it was easier for me to eat vegetarian in Japan than it had been in the US. but I think that’s because in the US, my diet was very I guess like processed food, you know, I didn’t know any better, so I was just buying things from the store and throwing them in the pan and you know I didn’t know any better, whereas when I got to Japan I was eating a lot of freshly prepared food, which was vegetables, and so it was easier, and then you know, now being both vegetarian and gluten free because since the time in Japan I’ve developed an autoimmune disease and celiac disease. Now I have to have both. So I don’t know if it would be a little harder now than it was then. But because soy is something I can’t have, well soy sauce. No soy sauce, so um, I don’t know, but I really didn’t find it that hard. and I will say I remember one of the things that you and I and some of the other ladies that started animal walk Tokyo together bonded over, vegan restaurants. because I remember when I met all of you, I learned about all these vegan restaurants that existed in Tokyo, you know, would you say that, vegan restaurants are still very popular, it I mean popular, popular is not the right word but are there still plenty of vegan restaurants in Tokyo and then what about in cities that are not as big as Tokyo?
Maho Uehara Cavalier 23:36
Yeah, so I’ll just say yeah vegan restaurants. I think more and more vegan restaurants in Tokyo, but they come and go right. Yeah, there is a new one. There’s three vegan restaurants in this neighborhood, and I thought wow this is great, and all of them are gone. But there are new ones and there is a coffee chain that has dedicated to vegans. And it’s a Komida coffee which is a big coffee chain and one chain is vegan. And so it’s, it’s spreading, and maybe because of the pandemic people are more aware of the relationship between animals and food enough, and they tend to go vegan or vegetarian, so they skip the process of knowing farm animal welfare, which is good because our end goal is to not eat, You know, not eat any animals.
Brandy Montague 24:39
Yeah, so that’s interesting isn’t it, so you’re finding more and more people going vegan, I think, like that’s that’s really interesting.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 24:48
Yeah, people at least I’d say more aware of that choice option. But still, you know, um, maybe I’m in Tokyo. I’m in this bubble like you said, like in Los Angeles, so if you go away from Tokyo I’m not really sure.
Brandy Montague 25:07
Yeah, I mean that makes sense and a lot of this stuff, it does seem like it’s more common in the cities. I guess probably because there’s just more people, and when there’s more people in the city there’s more diversity and different, new ideas come, you know, just happens. Yeah. What are like so in the work that you do, what do you find to be the biggest challenge in driving change, you know, influencing change. what’s like the biggest challenge, and I wonder how that may differ in Japan versus in some other countries.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 25:48
Well, um, challenges. Overall, like in general challenges. The biggest one is the awareness is low or different. Maybe I should say, because you know, a lot of people in this neighborhood walk with dogs. There are a lot of cat lovers. Right, but why doesn’t it go, you know, beyond that. I think it’s something do this information, knowledge and awareness. But in terms of my work. One yeah definitely awarenesses is one. And corporations are more. My job is to go to corporations and ask them to purchase, or change to cage free, sell only cage free. But businesses are very cautious here. They want to make sure all the aspects of change doesn’t take any risks and what are the risks, what are the solutions and I think it’s so much time to figure out, high risk management, right. And then finally they publish cage free. So they prepare well, in order to make a policy so it takes time. At the same time group mindedness and then corporations usually say well we cannot be the first ones. We have to change together. Yeah, and then change itself is not positive in Japan, keeping things as it is, people spend more time and effort, about keeping things, as it is. So, well let’s make change that doesn’t sound good to them sometimes, those are the challenges, yeah. Challenges. Yeah.
Brandy Montague 27:42
You know that it, it all makes sense and I mean, I do feel like maybe then once the decision is made and once the change is made perhaps it’s more sustainable because they have like gone through all of the detailed due diligence to make that change.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 27:59
Yes, I think so when they decided to do it, they do it in a very systematic and good in a good quality. That’s what I’m hoping, and there’s, there’s one company that is a big, big company, they’re working on creating, you know, an animal welfare strategy. And I think something good will come out from there, and they can lead the Japanese corporations.
Brandy Montague 28:28
Yeah, that makes sense and it definitely gives you like an optimistic thing to look at right because I… Yeah, I mean, just from my experience, from what I saw and living there I would think yes if a big company signs on and they figure out a really clear, strong way to do it then it does seem like, you know, then the ball is rolling and, yeah, you know.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 28:50
Yeah, and this is actually the same thing in the US the big corporations change then kind of like started the momentum, and then the followers. For them it’s easier to make change.
Brandy Montague 29:04
Yeah. Yeah, and I would think you know if you’re running a business, of course it’s easier to change once you’ve seen someone else prove that it works. You know it’s like okay,
Maho Uehara Cavalier 29:13
yeah, as you can imagine, can change the supply chain, you know group of big corporations change and supply chains can change, right. Yeah, that’s actually why I really thought that the THL strategy is brilliant.
Brandy Montague 29:31
Yeah, yeah, because you’re really looking at changing the whole thing from the bottom up like we were talking earlier, which really sounds. Yeah, sounds, sounds like realistic. And you know what, so I know it’s pretty hard to do the work that you’re doing, like what keeps you going, where do you find the inspiration to keep going.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 29:51
I think I see that I believe this strategy works, And also the organization I work with the Humane League is pretty open to, you know, as to try something different in Japan, because strategies are different here. They trust us. That probably is very, it’s a huge help for us, because the local locally we can basically strategize, and then find a way the most effective way to change the regional mission. Yeah, I trust the strategy, I trust that the organization, I trust that things will change. If we believe, I believe that the corporation has. I still see the people wanting to generally be better, and good, and when I go to corporations they usually say that, Oh, this is terrible, we have to do something, but they don’t know how to do it, but I trust that you know, they had the sense that this is not good. And then, like they expand that, I think that’s why and I’m also mission driven. I want to make it happen. Yeah.
Brandy Montague 29:58
I’m with you on the belief that I think almost everybody would change it and would from a consumer standpoint purchase cage free if they could, from a corporation be cage free if they, if they could see it, you know, I do think that people generally want to see those things stop and they want to see things change and it’s just a matter of figuring out how to do it and feel safe enough to make the decision right, and or feel you have the means enough to make the decision. so I mean I love that you are saying that you see the strategic vision and you know it works and you believe in it because yeah it’s like slowly but surely, those opportunities, the more cage free eggs are on the market, the easier they are to come by right for corporations and for consumers to make the decisions.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 31:59
Yeah, yeah. I think so. When we started, yeah, there was no, there wasn’t enough cage free and still isn’t, but because corporations, it’s kind of like coming both way cooperation changes and the producers changing, and part. One of THL Japan’s jobs is to directly work with producers. So we connect with producers and talk with the producers to win their cage free, we talk with them and get their support. Yeah, on our side so that then we can connect the corporations with cage free farmers.
Brandy Montague 32:41
And it seems like they would be excited to connect with you and get their name, I mean I almost feel like you could be like a marketing channel for them or like a sales channel you know it’s like you know when you go in here’s, here’s the solution here’s this cage free producer, so I feel like if I was the producer, I’d be like yeah like I definitely want to work with you, like help me get to these corporations.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 33:03
Yeah. Yeah, that’s right. But we have to always be mindful that we’re, we’re promoting cage free, but more like we’re promoting layer hens being free from cage confinements. rather than Yeah, trying to promote cage free is one way, but we always should be mindful that we work for the animals, we’re advocating for layer hens. but there are a lot of, cage free farmers, the new cage free farmers, for example, this is a new phenomena recently, I’ve seen young producers, they want to persuade animal welfare so they become cage free farmer. I’ve encountered these people, I thought it was amazing, they don’t they’d rather be an animal welfare, advocate, advocate, but they became a cage free farmer in order to advocate for farm animal welfare in a cage free.
Brandy Montague 34:00
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah that’s because that’s a way to like influence from the inside out right and then. So, I mean I think you’re saying too so the goal is ultimately beyond cage free. Yeah, is that’s what you’re saying is like, ultimately, you know, cage free is a stepping stone to get to hens truly free, and I guess pasture, or I don’t know. Yeah, maybe we’re just open
Maho Uehara Cavalier 34:29
yeah free range,
Brandy Montague 34:30
that’s the word
Maho Uehara Cavalier 34:30
Yeah, this is a, you know, step by step change. no battering cage, then go into, in the end, less eggs, less animal harms. That’s our goal. So it takes, it takes time and when we’re doing this as, you know, this is the work, if you can’t see the end result quickly you get discouraged, but I myself remind myself that we’re a part of the change, a part in the process of the change, and so was the staff in Japan and I think the rest of the team should be mindful, this is part of the big change.
Brandy Montague 34:31
Yeah, that’s an amazing way to think about it, honestly. I think it really is, and if you weren’t doing the work, then it wouldn’t be progressing, you know, so it’s, yeah, yeah, I think there’s so much value in what you all are doing. And I’m so thankful for it, you know, honestly, and I know I know so many of us are so thankful for it.
One of the things that I like to wrap up episodes with is asking all of my guests if they will share one simple idea, off the top of their head that listeners and viewers can try in their daily lives to make a difference for animals and the environment. Do you have an idea you can share.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 35:59
Yeah I think of where their food is coming from, especially livestock, you know, meat, eggs, where are they coming from and how were the animals raised. I just want people to be mindful when they shop or eat. Yeah, and just follow the, trace the route to the route that, you know, definitely goes to animals and how they were raised and how they’re kept and how they’re slaughtered. That’s one thing to think, and as an action. The Human League has human league.org and please go visit our page and there is a page link called fast action network, you can it’s a very easy way to connect and get started taking actions. just sign it, and then everyday you can do something to make change for animals.
Brandy Montague 37:01
Oh, that’s really cool. That’s really cool. I will link to that in the show notes so that people can go check it out.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 37:08
California is actually very progressive state right? I know you said you were in a bubble but the California, the state they. There’s a law, you can’t use caged confinement for a production and you can’t even sell eggs, came from cage confinement, so people changed it.
Brandy Montague 37:31
Yeah, I was gonna say it was probably, I don’t know, two to three years ago I remember the proposition, and, yeah, and it was, it was consumers, I mean it was citizens of California who made that decision, obviously there were people who pushed it to get it on to the voting, but at that point then consumers chose it, and I guess it just goes back to that thing that we were saying earlier, which is I think most people would change it if the opportunities there, you know, so. And I think, again, even to the point that we made, or you are making about how, when one place goes and leads the way more come so, you know, this happens in California so it can happen in other states and other countries. and I love that you’ve got this resource the Fast Action Network where people can go become a part of this. That’s awesome.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 38:26
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, just go and join the Fast Action Network and there’s a way to make a donation for our organization. So, your support is always you know, Welcome,
Brandy Montague 38:40
And the best way to make a donation is how? Is there a link on the humane league.org Is that the best way to make a donation,
Maho Uehara Cavalier 38:49
yeah, yeah.
Brandy Montague 38:51
Okay. Perfect. And the best way for someone to get in touch with you if they’d like to talk to you more, what’s the best way to do that,
Maho Uehara Cavalier 38:59
um, email is probably the best.
Brandy Montague 39:05
I’ll put an email in the show notes for you.
Maho Uehara Cavalier 39:08
Yeah, and then we have the Facebook for the Humane League Japan so you can send a message, that was fine. Yeah, we have Instagram, you can send a message from there too.
Brandy Montague 39:23
So that wraps up my conversation with Maho I hope you enjoyed learning about eggs and egg laying hens today. If you have any questions for Maho please feel free to reach out to her. her contact information is at the bottom of the show notes. you can find those at ForAnimalsForEarth.com/podcast/40.
A reminder that maho’s organization is our charity of the month, which means we’re all jumping over and following and liking and sharing what they do on social media. You can find them at Facebook and Instagram at Humane League Japan. You can also sign up for the Fast Action Network that Maho mentioned at The Humane League. org.
I am really excited about that. I think I’m actually going to be signing up for that myself. If you don’t find the link that is also in the show notes. As always, I am so grateful that you’re here and you’re listening, and if you’re willing to share the show with a new friend, that would be amazing. Or if you haven’t already, you can leave a review on Apple or Stitcher. I hope that this Earth Day is more magical for you than all of them in the past, and I hope that you’re feeling inspired about the difference that you make every single second that you spend listening to or talking about all of these subjects. Thank you again so much for your support. We made it a full year, Yay, Happy Earth Day, See you next week.
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